Adventure Sports issues and my solutions

vfmoore

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It's a good question. When I talked to the shop he said that Honda used to recommend just replacing the fuel pump and cleaning the tank, but now they also recommend replacing the injectors. The Repair Order does state Relace Fuel Pump per Honda. Replace Injectors Per Honda. Clean Tank per Honda.

So it would seem that replacing the injectors is actually an additional task from the infancy stages of the issue.

Perhaps they were finding that it was making it past the filter after all?

Edit: I don't think it was long starving for fuel. I had one incident of it acting up about 2 weeks prior to this last bout (where it acted up 4 times.) The first time it happened it was on the way up to Eisenhower Tunnel and I thought maybe it was maybe just some "one off" fluke with altitude. It seemed to run fine for two weeks after until the recent bout where I took it in. It never actually stalled or stopped running on its own, so it never ran dry. While it did happen a total of 5 times where it acted up, it was only encompassing 2 days.

The injectors were not done on mine last spring, which now makes me a little nervous. Could you do me a favor and scan/send a copy of the work order as that might help me if I run into problems myself? Thanks.
 

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By the way, "Eisenhower Tunnel" would lead me to believe you are a Colorado boy. Lived there and rode many miles on trails around Waterton and Evergreen, and even more above Boulder and the desert outside of Grand Junction. My brother still lives in Westminster.
 
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Cuchulainn

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By the way, "Eisenhower Tunnel" would lead me to believe you are a Colorado boy. Lived there and rode many miles on trails around Waterton and Evergreen, and even more above Boulder and the desert outside of Grand Junction. My brother still lives in Westminster.
Correct. We live in the Littleton area :)

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The injectors were not done on mine last spring, which now makes me a little nervous. Could you do me a favor and scan/send a copy of the work order as that might help me if I run into problems myself? Thanks.
Here is a redacted copy of the work order. I am still concerned about the "Cleaned the inside of the fuel tank the best I could with scotch bright in an attempt to clean inside of fuel tank per Honda." I can't help but wonder if "the best I could" is good enough and how much still remains in the tank.



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Thank you very much. This will be helpful if I have a recurrent problem.
 
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Thank you very much. This will be helpful if I have a recurrent problem.
Sure. Hopefully you will not have a recurrent problem. But if you do, it might be useful in establishing that the repair was not fully completed based on current Honda recommendations.

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I wanted to give a followup to this post.

As noted above, I had the first issue with the tank residue, fuel starvation on my 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports at 3, 306 miles. I was assured at that time that the remedy by Honda, which included scrubbing the tank with Scotch Brite and replacing the fuel pump and both fuel injectors would resolve the problem. I was told by Honda that they have not had one come back with the same problem after taking those steps. Well, it turns out Honda should have added "yet."

After the initial issue and a close call, while attempting to pass as a result, I had filed a report on my bike with NHTSA. I explained in my report the situation, how it could be dangerous and result in an accident or worse, and how I felt Honda needed to have an official recall on the issue, rather than piecemeal fixes that varied from dealer to dealer.

A couple of thousand miles later I began to notice hesitation with my bike again. I updated my report and also contacted Honda North America about my concerns. They called to let me know that they had seen my report with NHTSA and wanted to ease my concerns with the bike, suggesting that maybe I was perhaps being hyper-aware to the hesitation issue due to the previous close call, but they wanted to look at it to be sure and restore my confidence in the bike.

I agreed that maybe I was being hyper-aware, but I wanted to have it looked at, so I set a date with the dealership to coordinate the service work with the district rep. Honda was happy to look at it on their dime to just to be sure.

The bike went in at 5,226 miles and sure enough, the problem had repeated. Tech notes "Found particulate in the fuel tank and fuel filter ... rec fuel pump and fuel injectors. So once again the dealer repeated the Fuel Tank scrub and replaced the fuel pump and both injectors.

I spoke again with Honda North America afterward. This time they tell me that only myself and one other person have had to have this done twice. I added under my breath "So far...."

I have been following a thread on another forum from a guy who was having similar issues with his 2020. He finally got around to draining and removing the tank last night to inspect for particulate. Sure enough, there it was. So it seems Honda has *NOT* resolved the issue with the 2020 models either.

A follow-up and a heads-up to 2020 owners. Have it checked if you feel you are having fueling issues.
 

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I recently purchased a new 2019 Adventure Sports. I found this thread shortly after picking the bike up from the dealer. I crossed my fingers and hoped I hadn't made a big mistake. Cut to last weekend...I went on a nice little ride to clear my head as work has me really stressed out lately. I stopped for a snack then turned towards home. I noticed the bike seamed to need more throttle than normal before the bike downshifted so I just assumed it was the computer and started shifting myself. I got home and parked the bike. The next day I was all set to leave for work when I tried to fire up the engine. Plenty of cranking amps from the battery and definitely getting spark but an occasional sputter was all I could get from it. Obviously starved for fuel. The real kicker is that I only have about 500 miles on the bike! I think I made a bike mistake. I should've just waited for the (yes, I'm going to say it) Tenere. I'll get it towed to the dealer Saturday. We'll see what happens. I'll try to remember to write an update.
 

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Please do post an update and also, if it does turn out to be the case, file a complaint with NHTSA.

I have had one of their Safety Specialist reach out to me regarding the issues that I have had and he confirmed that NHTSA has opened an investigation into the issue. They want to hear from anyone who has had this issue with their ATAS. It also appears to be affecting 2020 models. I have seen at least 10 reports of it on various forums and FB groups.


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Had fuel starvation on my 2018 ATAS. The dealer wouldn't believe me until I filmed it. Honda replaced my fuel pump only; basically slapping a bandage on a problem but not addressing the root cause. Fast forward a month, my bro and I are riding COBDR and his ATAS has the same problem. Knowing the problem from my bike, we removed the tank and the fuel pump on a side of the road. The amount of crap in the filter was unbelievable (looked like chipped paint). Since we didn't have access to a new pump, we cleaned the filter and the bike still works fine. It's my understanding that Honda replaces the entire fuel pump because filer comes as with it. You cannot buy it separately. I love the bike but this is ridiculous. Now, before every major trip, I will be removing the fuel pump to clean the filter. I bought a Honda for its reliability. I had fewer problems with my Ducati before.
 

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I’d imagine that at some point you’ll run out of paint chips to remove from the filter... can’t last forever. BTW, Big thumbs up for going all the way with the roadside repair, that’s why they call it adventure riding. I put a countershaft seal in a XR650R in the middle of nowhere, there were 17 or so in our group and believe it or not one guy had the seal, one a bottle of oil, one this tool, one that tool... it all worked out.

Had fuel starvation on my 2018 ATAS. The dealer wouldn't believe me until I filmed it. Honda replaced my fuel pump only; basically slapping a bandage on a problem but not addressing the root cause. Fast forward a month, my bro and I are riding COBDR and his ATAS has the same problem. Knowing the problem from my bike, we removed the tank and the fuel pump on a side of the road. The amount of crap in the filter was unbelievable (looked like chipped paint). Since we didn't have access to a new pump, we cleaned the filter and the bike still works fine. It's my understanding that Honda replaces the entire fuel pump because filer comes as with it. You cannot buy it separately. I love the bike but this is ridiculous. Now, before every major trip, I will be removing the fuel pump to clean the filter. I bought a Honda for its reliability. I had fewer problems with my Ducati before.
 
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After reading all the posts and the possibility of encountering another failure, I decided to not wait for Honda and as soon as my tank gets low enough to remove, I’m installing a GUGLAtech filter and sock. I only use the bike for adventure rides and try to ride mostly dirt so I don’t want to get stuck out in the middle of nowhere. I will provide an update to what I find.
 
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After reading all the posts and the possibility of encountering another failure, I decided to not wait for Honda and as soon as my tank gets low enough to remove, I’m installing a GUGLAtech filter and sock. I only use the bike for adventure rides and try to ride mostly dirt so I don’t want to get stuck out in the middle of nowhere. I will provide an update to what I find.
It is definitely an option. I am kind of stuck in a gray area with mine, because it happened before I put a Guglatech filter on mine. So Honda has now fixed it.. twice.. and claim they now own the issue for the lifetime of the bike.

Except, if I put a Guglatech filter on it. They told me that if I add one of those, then I have modified the repair and they no longer own it.

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It is definitely an option. I am kind of stuck in a gray area with mine, because it happened before I put a Guglatech filter on mine. So Honda has now fixed it.. twice.. and claim they now own the issue for the lifetime of the bike.

Except, if I put a Guglatech filter on it. They told me that if I add one of those, then I have modified the repair and they no longer own it.

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Interesting. But is Honda going to own it when your down in the middle of nowhere and have to retrieve parts to repair the bike in the field or retrieve the bike? I’m going for the added reliability and install the GUGLAtech Kit.
 

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Interesting. But is Honda going to own it when your down in the middle of nowhere and have to retrieve parts to repair the bike in the field or retrieve the bike? I’m going for the added reliability and install the GUGLAtech Kit.
Probably not. But by the same token, I am also not 100% convinced that the Guglatech would not also eventually get clogged with the same particulate. It might just take longer. That was a part of my hesitation with it in the first place. I may be wrong.

But at this point, since if is in the Honda system. I am going to see where it goes. As Graves mentioned, it should eventually stop flaking. I am hoping the second time was the charm.

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It is definitely an option. I am kind of stuck in a gray area with mine, because it happened before I put a Guglatech filter on mine. So Honda has now fixed it.. twice.. and claim they now own the issue for the lifetime of the bike.

Except, if I put a Guglatech filter on it. They told me that if I add one of those, then I have modified the repair and they no longer own it.

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Twice?! That is my concern. My plan is to check the fuel pump filer before every major trip. Do you recall the milage interval when it happened to you? Mine occurred roughly after 4.5k miles. My bro's happened at about 4k. I'm clocking close to 10k now and I'm afraid I'm due for another fuel pump soon.
 
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Twice?! That is my concern. My plan is to check the fuel pump filer before every major trip. Do you recall the milage interval when it happened to you? Mine occurred roughly after 4.5k miles. My bro's happened at about 4k. I'm clocking close to 10k now and I'm afraid I'm due for another fuel pump soon.
The first incidence was at 3,306 miles. The second at 5,226 miles. It wasn't acting as poorly the second time around though, because I had sort of become "hyper-aware" of the issue. I mean that to the point where I was hesitant to bring it to Honda's attention because I wasn't sure if it was really having an issue or if I was just being paranoid after the first time. But it just didn't seem 100% right, so I contacted Honda, they had a look at it and found more particulate.

The first time was obvious. It was sputtering, losing power, occasionally stalling, etc. The second it just didn't seem to have quite the pickup I felt it should have.
 

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As I reported in this thread, my first issue with the fuel pump happened at 56 miles. I now have 5300 miles and have not had any fuel issues. However, my tank was near empty so I removed the tank to install the GUGLAtech filter kit. It was quite simple to install. I did find particles in the tank and the fuel filter plugging.

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